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January 21, 2011

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I didn't read all the comments, but look into the flashmaster electronic game/thing. I got it online from amazon. It really help my adhd kid learn the facts and stay on task with doing timed practice. I highly recommend it.

On the timed test, I worry I'll sound like that Chinese tiger mother woman, but practice tests at home. Patrick can probably got the rest of his life just figuring out the answers each time he needs them (my husband is much better at math than I and he essentially does this). I am a memorizer and just think it is better to have them facts ready. Neither here nor there, but for the sake of getting that check mark of completion in Patrick's school file: Google math facts cafe. Print off test sheet of the right sort of problems. Time Patrick. Repeat 2-37 times (over a week or two) until he can write the answers fast enough to pass the test. When my daughter was in 3rd we did this for about a month. She wasn't writing fast enough and wasn't concentrating. Test taking, while results may be highly overrated, is a skill. It won't hurt Patrick to be able to take timed tests well. Even if he decides to not waste precious brain space with the facts forever.

Love the pants! And the cabbage soup diet is a riot.

Diana Wynne Jones is brilliant. I haven't read choices 2 or 3, however, so can't compare. As a n extension of the psychological trick, you might suggest to Patrick that not having his math facts down cold will compromise his getting into that school -- not just not knowing them but also being unwilling to discipline himself academically. His sewing and design talent is superb!

I LOVE that he made them pants. How freaking adorable is that. My 11 year old and I have read the first two Charlie Bone books and I would call them only okay. I think you can do better, but I'm not familiar with the other two.

ANYTHING by Diana Wynne Jones is going to be wonderful. I can't think why I didn't think of her for Patrick before. Anything.

Diana Wynne Jones! Diana Wynne Jones! She's one of my favorite authors and I'm 31. You will be so happy when you're done and realize, "wait! there's more of her stuff out there!" and then you'll finish it and you'll be sad.

As proof that I know whereof I speak, I also recommended "To Say Nothing of the Dog," and I recall reading that you enjoyed that a lot.

Diana Wynne Jones absolutely.

The math, eh. I am not a fan of the rote memorization route to mathematical competence, comfort, and enjoyment. If decent scores are genuinely essential to the system in which he is currently immersed, then yes, I agree with this who suggest bringing sample tests home to work with. As for the school changing/ grade skipping, perhaps when the time comes you'll find that with the twins in school full days, homeschooling Patrick, or enrolling him in an on-line program (there are some fabulous one's out there) for a year or two (or three, until 14/high school) might be an equitable option.

The pants are glorious, how delightful that he has such a skill (that brings him such obvious pleasure).

I second the notion of keeping an eye on Edward for asthma.

The diet .... Hon, seriously? What an extraordinary thing to do. Well, sooner you than I. Then again, the only surefire method of weight-loss I've ever encountered is having a brain tumor. Truth: everyone in my brain tumor support group has lost at least fifty pounds.

I hope your trip goes well, I'm sorry to hear your stepmother has been so unwell.

Chrestomanci! I LOVE Dianna Wynne Jones.
I believe, at the age of 45, I now have most of my times tables memorized.
I also can tell you I'm quite bright and have never had a problem with maths. I can memorize but I hate it and save it for cases of absolute necessity.

Math stuff... so I'm really WEIRD with numbers (I remember my BFF's Junior High boyfriend's PHONE number). For me to memorize things like multiplication tables I had to figure out a way to remeber them, rather than simply 3x3=9. For the 24 thing specifically, would it help him to think about why 8 goes with 3 and 6 goes with 4... like the bigger number (8) goes with the smaller number (3). I know I'm not explaining this well. But basically... to really think about the why behind it rather than just straight memorization? Good luck! (We're just working on counting to 10 with my almost-2-yr-old and every number is FIVE. :)

Every time I scan through my blog headlines and I see this one Ramble on Rose starts playing in my head, which makes me smile, so yay for great blog titles. :)

As for the math facts, I wish I had the answer. And I'm a math teacher (currently 6th grade, formerly 3rd, 4th, 5th, and 8th). I still can't figure out how to get every single kid on board with math facts when I want them to be. It's maddening sometimes.

Oh my gosh....I enjoy your blog so much. I just spent 5 minutes laughing my butt off. Caroline is hilarious. So is Patrick. They are all hilarious and love the pants.

You are going to need to develop a wine cellar for Caroline's teens. Start now.

I'm nearly 23. I have not read Chrestomanci in a good...10? 12? years. And those books are on my Kindle list (because now that I can get books cheaply and also not have people look at me funny for reading children's books). That's how fond my memories are.

Also on the Kindle [actually iPod Touch/Droid/computer/girlfriend's iPad when she'll share] list? The complete Wizard of Oz, all 15 Baum books, 97 cents.

And I totally support the occasional starvation week. We do what we gotta do. Everything in moderation. As long as you're not starving yourself (which is totally what you're doing, as you admitted) every week, it can't hurt you. Much. I hope.

For the math facts we've tried a few things:

1. Let him take his test in the hall to minimize hearing other kids saying numbers and such while they work.

2. Consider test anxiety and the best way to alleviate for him. There's a new study that says allowing kids 5-10 minutes to write about test anxiety will improve scores.

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/TopStories/20110112/write-away-worries-110116/

3. Does he have other difficulties with writing quickly? If so, other accommodations may be helpful.

As far as books, we really enjoyed Charlie Bone.

Oh my. It doesn't bother me at all that you have long posts. Bring 'em on! Math games does seem like a great option. And the pants? Fabulous. I am in awe of Patrick's sewing. And the twins are scrumptious!

I am a giant ball of fat due to a long, downhill slide of butter-n-booze that started at Thanksgiving and was followed by our holiday party, my birthday, my husband's birthday, Christmas, the baby's 1st birthday, New Year's, and ended with my middle daughter's birthday on January 18. I NEED that week of asceticism. I just went to the store and bought all the necessary food for the cabbage soup diet this morning.

We've settled with being okay about it, when our kids fail at school tasks in elementary school levels.
We follow up with a parent to kid conversation about the what's, why's and how's involved.
Reason out what choices could be made in future situtations.
Leave it up to our kids to make it happen.

Our oldest is in middle school now. Thrilled with the opportunity to achieve on his own merit. He's made honor roll and likes the feel of that.

He TOTALLY bombed a report poster in 4th grade. The teacher called home and wondered what was up with that, as it just didn't meet par for the child. She offered the opportunity to re do the work.
Our kid learned then and there what it felt like to fail...how to own his efforts. He also understood that chances to make up work and be successful happen less and less the older he gets.

Patrick's a smart, smart guy. It would be interesting to hear his take on the math tables story when he is a few years older from now.

GREAT post Julia...
sounded a little Junie B. Jones in parts.
So sorry the twinkles are sick.
Be sure to do a couple of sweet things just for yourself this week to cope.
(I try to squeeze in coffee dates with friends, or an hour of quiet time in the public library or bookstore)

the pants are amazing. and i speak from recent experience when i say they are hard to make...that patrick rocks!

Diana Wynne Jones is my favourite author ever, so I am utterly biased. And I've met her, and she is AMAZING so that's another vote for Chrestomanci. And once you've done those, there's the whole Nick Mallory series to pick up (don't start with Deep Secret, though, I'd start with the Merlin Chronicles).

I loathe the new prevnar.

Do you know how these math tests are being scored? I know nothing about how elementary schools do it these days but when I was in third grade we had "mad minute" math quizzes with (I think) 30 questions in 60 seconds. The problem was that your score ended with the first question you got wrong - so you could have 29/30 correct, but if you got question 1 wrong, your official score was 0. Boy, was my mom ever ballistic when she found out THAT was why my math grades were slipping!

So, the Prevnar 13. It might have a fever as a side effect. Possible. I don't want to be all alarmist or anything...but I'm going to be.

I had a kid who contracted a strep pneumo serotype that wasn't covered by the old vaccine (and is also not covered in the new one). Strep pneumo is bad. Capital D -baD. They wrote a paper about him. One of the vaccine manufacturers asked permission for a sample of his blood and for his cultures. It was bAd. We nearly lost him. When the Prevnar 13 came out, I begged the pediatrician for it because I never, ever want to go through that again. The pediatrician thought about it for a moment and decided that we needed to wait until Bobo is 3 and more out in the world (we had to pull him from day care in the wake of the illness because of the associated hearing loss and speech delay partially caused by the infection).

In summation, Caroline and Edward look pretty pathetic sprawled out on the couch, but I'm glad they got the shot.

when I had to learn my multiplication facts, my mom had me write them in a blank times table, using graph paper. I did 3 of them a day (up to 10x10) and learned them fast. Sometimes she'd have my little sister sit next to me and pick the order in which I had to fill in the squares, so I didn't get too used to going in order.

I still hate 8x7 though. All the others are fine!

SPOILER ALERT _ GRAVEYARD BOOK

You know, I really liked the grave yard book, until the end, and then it felt like a search for horcruxes, and therefore sort of derivative.
Also - I cannot abide books with endings that separate children from their only source of support "just because". I call BS. He could have come back to that cemetery for the rest of his life, and nothing bad would have happened. Just because he didn't NEED them didn't mean he wouldn't WANT them from time to time.
Arggh. I Loved most of the book - jut not the ending.

I'd go with the Charlie Bone...Both my boys (10 and 8) love love loved them--I thought they were great too!

I remember those stupid timed math tests. Question: Is it the same test every day and/or a rotation among 2 or 3? Because at one point I ended up just memorizing the order of the answers on the test. Still a memorization task, but struck me even in elementary school how stupid it was.

(Majored in math in college; memorization of the times tables did not help. I remember seeing a t-shirt once for kids that had a times table printed upside down on the front, so the kid could just look down and see it. Cracked me up.)

Is there a reason why you can't sit in on a class at a potential school for Patrick? This fall when we were looking into what we felt would be the best decision for our 3-year-old when she entered formal schooling, I went to the two schools we were deciding between (both private) and sat in on the kindergarten class (for an hour or two) at one school and got a tour and overview of the other school by the principal. We stopped in that kindergarten class for about 15 minutes and observed the kids and I chatted with the teacher. I had called both in advance and set the appointments up. I figure you should be able to see what you are getting for your money with anything in life. If the schools had been closed-minded about doing such a thing, that would have spoke volumes to me.

I am loving Caroline's hair! Also, prevnar 13 did not go over very well in our household a couple months ago either. You have my empathy!

Ah, so it's not precisely a ladybug onesie but I was right, after all. Just three or so years off.

I have not read the other series you mentioned, but Chrestomanci! My parents read this series to my siblings and I when we were maybe 5, 7, 9 and 11 (long car rides) and we all loooved it. And I reread it all the time growing up. So, so wonderful.

Patrick's sewing skills AMAZE me. He's so cool!

Is Patrick writing his math facts at home or doing them orally? Could be what is making the difference, especially if there are any OT/handwriiting issues.

Oh. My God. Patrick is awesome! Making pants for his siblings!? That is amazing. He thinks about what THEY MIGHT LIKE!?? This is just so cool!! You have a real winner on your hands! Whatever it is that you're doing, you're doing it right!

I am AMAZED at Patrick making those pants. Incredible!

You write so well...thank you.

Chrestomanci! I love that series...actually I love every thing she's ever written, I just re-read Archer's Goon yesterday actually, you guys should read that :)

I haven't read the other comments, sorry, perhaps I'm saying something that's already been thoroughly thrashed out.

Regarding Patrick and memorizing math facts: Those of us who are sharp little cookies, and can calculate quickly, sometimes avoid actually memorizing the things that we need to learn by rote. Patrick's finger flickering suggests to me that he's doing that (rather than memorizing 8x4=32 he thinks "well, 4x4 is 16, and twice that is, hmmm, 32." Which reaches the right answer, but slows him down).

Right now it doesn't matter much, but as you move along in math, you REALLY DO want to have all the rote facts memorized. It's a huge deficit to keep on using brain space on "Is 8 a factor of 56?" when the real question is "x squared plus 15 x plus 56 = (x+7)(x+8)" true or false?.

One idea is to set the times tables to music, or recite them while you take a walk (pacing in time with them), so that they sink deep into rote memory and are no longer calculated. Memorize them like a poem. It will pay off.

Times math facts tests are EVIL.

Oh, the Chrestomanci books! Charmed Life was one of my favorite books when I was a kid. I hadn't realized that she picked the series back up in 2001, but I'm buying the whole series on Amazon right this minute.

As for the timed math test: when I was 8, a so-called genius with an IQ of 170, newly in 4th grade, in an English speaking school from a French one, we had to do timed math tests. These were so scarring that I still remember them now. 100 questions to a sheet, 100 seconds to complete the sheet, 5 different colored sheets to graduate through. I passed addition (white) and subtraction (yellow) and got stuck on multiplication (orange). I never got more than halfway through. Other kids were finishing all five tests and becoming exempt from taking them. It was the only test that I ever had anxiety over and it was the only test I ever took that I tried to cheat. I got caught and had to have a conference with the teacher, my parents and the Headmaster. I was sure I was going to get caned (not knowing that American schools don't hit), but instead they changed the test policy for those of us who were failing. Instead of 100 seconds to complete the page, we got 10 seconds to complete the first line of 10 questions, a few seconds to shake out our hands and breathe and then another 10 seconds for the second line of 10 questions until the sheet was completed (or not). That little change made all the difference. What had weighed on me so hard was suddenly easy, I finished all the rest of the sheets within the month and never had to do them again.

Now I'm an accountant who does trigonometry for fun and who still has to think about what is the product of 6 times 7 and 7 times 8.

Patrick is amazing. I wish I could meet him and hear what he has to say. That kid is destined for greatness.

Edward and Caroline are crazyadorable. I hope you are still blogging when they are teenagers!

And as for the length of your posts... they could be five times as long and I would still be sad when they came to an end. So please don't ever feel like you need to wrap it up... I for one am hanging on every word. I think you are BY FAR the best writer in the blogosphere and have the most amazing children as well. I have 3 boys and if we could have a playdate I think I would expire from the excitement.

Wait - there are snowflake-shaped peppermint patties?

Your stories and pictures of Caroline (and Edward and Patrick) never stop making me laugh. They are lovely.

You know how John Malkovich seduces Michele Pfeiffer in Dangerous Liasons by telling her that he started to feel actual physical pain every tim she left the room? I am starting to fee actual physical pain when your posts end. I can't stand how freaking cute Caroline is, well, how cute all of htem are. I wish you had them on Flickr updated by the minute.

My girls always got a fever after Prevnar. I was very glad when we finished the series.

Your kids and you are hilarious, as usual, and I would love to meet your mother.

You are so screwed (re: Caroline).

I read what "karen | January 22, 2011 at 09:00 AM" said and wondered about whether Patrick has additional trouble with timed times tables tests (the quad-t, if you will) because of his synesthetic leanings. If I recall correctly, don't letters have color for Patrick (c.f. his halloween costumes)? Anyway, what Karen said about some numbers being friends and some enemies and how this is distracting really sounded like a Patrick-type comment.
Also: down with memorization! Up with understanding!

Huh. I've read this blog for years, you are so funny. However now that I am aware of how dreadful I, a fat person, looks in capris; to you, at least... Combined with the oh so original "pool toy" comparison? I'm just done. I wish the best for you but wish you'd kept your fat hate to yourself.

Of the three choices I've only read the Diana Wynne Jones books but I remember them being great. I LOVE her book "Witch Week" and have often wished I could prescribe it as a corrective to Harry Potter syndrome--it shows what a *real* British boarding school would look like if infected with witchcraft/wizardry.

Re: The math timed test. Get the exact format he has to work with in class and then drill baby drill. Memorization at that age can be less actual knowledge and more pictorial memory…meaning that he may know 6 X 8 = 48 on a flash card but need to actually think about it and figure it out on a worksheet. Obviously he knows how to figure it out – it’s not the concept that’s the goal with timed tests it’s to actually have those things memorized perfectly so the next step can be learned. I’d say if he knows them on a flash card but can’t pass the timed test he’s just using the wrong part of his brain to pull out those answers. Lovely as being right brained can be, he’s going to have trouble later in more advanced math classes if he can’t make the transition from right brained to left brained thinking…except in geometry – being right brained kicks ass in geometry!

Earplugs, practice that includes writing down the math facts? Some sort of incentive system for the extra, extra practice? Threatening to let Amy Chua be his math tutor? Have him do some review and then you test him in writing at home--NYT just had an article on how testing as review works better for a lot of people than just review or even fancy/creative-type studying. So, if he doesn't already, can you replicate the kind of quiz/test he has at school and have him do the practice test at home after he reviews the material both written and orally?
Two recent NYT articles on how to best study:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/07/health/views/07mind.html
and
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/21/science/21memory.html

Has he read the percy jackson series--i am too lazy to look back through your posts to see if he has--those are pretty good.

Patrick continues to be amazing, the wee flannel pants TCFW and I CAN'T wait until Caroline (aka Menace Girl) is a teenager. LOL

Chrestomanci!
Ok, so I haven't actually read the others, but I loved Diana Wynne Jones as a kid, and got a new one for Christmas this year. I'm 38.
Are the Mortal Engines series available as audiobooks?

http://vimeo.com/18694727

Thought this would be right up Patrick's alley.

I'm stuck on TWENTY OUNCES of beef. That seems like an absurdly high amount, being, as it is, more than a pound.

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